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Monique Interviews Musician Dontae Winslow -- Pre-Field Trip Inspiration as we Get Ready for His Show on Feb. 18th at Iridium
Monique Avakian of the Rivertowns Jazz Blog had an amazing opportunity to interview one of the most eclectic musicians she’s come across in a long time: Dontae Winslow. As you’ll see, he plays with an enormously wide variety of people and enjoys working with many different genres of music. Dontae’s creativity, thoughtfulness, passion, and caring attitude shine through all the many, many projects he is involved with. I am honored that he was able to take the time to share with such depth. We explore his creative process, future and history, socio-political concerns and craft.
Dontae will be in New York at Iridium on February 18, 2014.
*CREATIVE PROCESS
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Who are you, where do you come from, and what are your current projects?
My name is Dontae Winslow: trumpeter, composer, husband, and father who hails proudly from Baltimore, Maryland. I currently live in Los Angeles, CA where I work as an in demand studio session musician, songwriter, and a touring trumpeter for Jay-Z, Justin Timberlake, Queen Latifah, and Jill Scott.
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My current projects include:
* my new CD: Enter The Dynasty
* Aloe Blacc's #2 song on iTunes: "I'm The Man"
* Justin Timberlake's The 20/20Experience World Tour
* the trumpet work in the theme song for Tyler Perry's #HavesandHavenots Season 2
* and upcoming work with Kendrick Lamar & Pharrell Williams.
What’s difficult or easy about being a creative person?
For me it has always been easy to be a creative person because songs come to me out of thin air, all day long, and in my dreams at night. I believe God gives creativity freely and whoever is awake and intone, catches the magic. The only difficulty lies in when to shut your brain off, and relax, take time for you to be mindless, and to spend time with your wife, children, or family and friends. Time away from a task also sparks creativity. It's not something you forcefully grab: it's like a jellyfish, or a newborn--you kind of coddle it and gently massage, coax and handle with care so that it doesn't slip away.
Is there a spiritual aspect to creativity?
There is definitely a spiritual aspect to creativity because I believe in God and that creativity comes from the Heavens. Great artists throughout the centuries have been trying to describe the indescribable through art and the muse leads back to God. Through pursuits of "faith," some of the greatest works of mankind have been achieved, and to me that is no coincidence.
Do you believe that sound is healing? How so?
I believe that science has proven that sound is healing for the elderly and for mental patients. I also personally believe that your spirit and your thoughts and intentions come through the sound you make on an instrument, just as plainly as your voice does. So when you smile and say hello, and it warms a person’s heart. Well, the same thing happens when I use that intention on my trumpet. When I ask God to heal someone of an illness through the playing of my trumpet, I believe that is going to take place. We are all matter, spirit, and moving molecules constantly in flux. We change the atmosphere with every word, utterance, sound, and emotion we give off. Sound and music can numb, heal, relax, be an aphrodisiac, upset, engage, calm, and intensify your psyche.
What techniques do you have that help you engage with the Creative Force?
To engage with God, the creator of all things, I fast--depriving myself of food and certain activities for a time, pray, and meditate. I also play my trumpet, talk with my son, and love on my wife. All of these things put me intone with the foundation of creation.
How do your dreams inform your work?
Many times when in REM sleep, I 'm flying high in the sky and singing sometimes in the studio with artist I'm about to work with. So as soon as I wake up, I JUMP! out of bed and run to my iPhone and sing what just took place in my sleep no matter how confabulated I am. I utter everything even if it doesn't make sense because editing can always take place later. In fact 90% of the songs on my New Album Enter the Dynasty were iPhone utterances that I took dictation on and decoded in the studio. It's amazing and hilarious, but awe-inspiring what can come to you in a moment. My song on iTunes, "Hotel Money," is a perfect example of waking up and just singing a hook into the phone. I recorded that song in ONE DAY. Jill Scott used to always say: “If you don't capture it in the moment, it’s ‘gone forever.’” I took heed of my bandleader’s instruction.
How does rhythm involve itself in your life and work?
Well the remarkable thing about Rhythm is that it is ALL AROUND US--in my window, coming from birds, cars, construction, speech, babies babbling, walking. I 'm very aware of what's going on around me, and it sounds like a cacophony of songs in multiple tonalities.
In addition [to that kind of rhythm], while touring with Justin Timberlake, I'm very aware of [the rhythm] of his amazing dancing skills, and how the choreography links to the music. It's insane, and keeps me aware of multiple rhythmic concepts: his dancing, my dancing, my band’s hits and accents, the dancers' movements, where I am in space, and where my trumpet parts lie in the beat of a given song. There is SO much to be conscious of, so rhythm is key whether we are writing, composing music, or performing.
What is your relationship with rap and poetry?
I LOVE rap music and [all kinds of rap and poetry] from "The Last Poets’” political messages to Public Enemy, Dr. Dre, Snoop, Common, Run-DMC, Mobb Deep, Nas, Eminem, Jay-Z, Wu-Tang, Biggie, UTFO, Tribe Called Quest, Arrested Development, Lauryn Hill, Queen Latifah, MC Lyte--the whole history. I grew up on that music, so it's "MY JAZZ.” It is powerful because the messages can impact so many people so fast, and promote social change...it is a double edged sword that can be used to build or destroy just like the tongue. Words quickly open the brain up to new ideas, whereas instruments are more subtle and can take longer to deliver the message. Rap is still in an infancy stage, and I believe has so much further to go creatively. Corporations slow down the development of rap as an art.
How do numbers impact your life and work?
I love the number 7 because it's a symbol of spiritual completion. The Bible says it took God 7 days to create the earth. I also love the number 5 because most folk music of all the cultures on earth, except Indian music, is based off of the major/minor pentatonic scale. Penta means 5 and probably has some extraterrestrial meaning we haven't found yet.
How does nature relate to your creative life?
Nature is so gorgeous in and of itself, that to look at a mountain peak, valley, forest, or a small hummingbird eating can easily bring a tear to my eye and cause me to write a song.
How do you stay focused, yet remain free?
I stay focused and remain free by maintaining a careful balance: In everything moderation. I'm a very driven individual and as I've gotten older and grown in my faith walk I have learned to "lean" on powers stronger than my own for provision, guidance, protection, insight, and discernment.
I was born free, and because of the many childhood tragedies I've endured, the strength it took to overcome [that] made me even more fearless.
Dontae Winslow & Winslow Dynasty - Summer Cookout feat. Questlove + Roy Hargrove
*HISTORY & FUTURE
What were like when you were four?
I was a very curious and intelligent kid, I've been told. At age 4, I cried a lot and felt lonely often. I am an only child. My mother stayed gone a lot hanging out at parties and being a 20 year old. I was molested by my uncle for a few years, and that changed my life and probably who I would become forever. After that, I never trusted men, or anyone for that matter until I was an adult.
At age four I realized that the world was cruel, and it was tough for me to believe in God based on my circumstances. I hadn't done anything to deserve what happen to me, or how ugly and disgusting it made me feel. So to say the least, at age four, I was very quiet. [When looking at] pictures [of me] as a toddler, many people say you can see in my eyes what I'd gone through.
What were you into when you were 11?
At age 11, I had a list on my wall of all the things I wanted to be when I grew up. Among them were: novel writer, psychologist, musician, basketball player, and visual artist. I loved playing with action figures, and going outside daily to play super heroes with my friends acting like we had powers. I also won many local competitions drawing horses and cartoon figures and used to tell all of my classmates I'd be a famous animator one day and they'd see my name on the Saturday morning credits of the cartoons. Back then cartoons were only televised on Saturday mornings. I also had a stint where I wanted to be a professional skater.
What do hope for at age 88?
At age 88 I hope to be in perfect health, married, with more kids, and hopefully adopt some kids of multi-cultural backgrounds. I hope to buy homes for poor people and give anyone who works for my company free health insurance benefits. I hope to have lived a life of integrity and compassion as an example for my son. I hope to have given my wife an amazing public wedding. I hope to reach a level of virtuosity in music, understanding, and performance that could stand up to the masters who paved the way before me. I hope to change pop culture to set family, love, and respect as popular attributes to desire.
When did you know that you were going to pursue music?
When I was 13 and in 7th grade I knew I would pursue music. I joined the free after school program called T.W.I.G.S at the Baltimore School for the Arts. I got free lessons after school and whenever we played in band I got goosebumps under my skin. I also saw Michael Jackson perform live on the BAD tour, as well as Motown 25, and that sealed the deal for me. The high from the energy he exuded on stage astounded me.
Who are the people who have influenced your creative development?
SOOoo many people have influenced my creative development. In my childhood: Run DMC, the Fat Boys, Whodini, Furious Five, Michael Jackson, Rick James, classical trumpeter Maurice Andre’, the music of Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff, Suicidal Tendencies (skater years), Stravinsky, Mahler. In high school: Clifford Brown, Miles Davis, Lee Morgan. In college: the Beatles, Yes, Ben Folds, Sting, Pink Floyd, Nas, Biggie, Wu-Tang, Bach, Palestrina, Wynton Marsalis, Roy Hargrove, Gary Thomas, Led Zeppelin, Nine Inch Nails, my wife Mashica, B. B. King, John Lee Hooker, Phil Smith (principal trumpet New York Philharmonic), Terence Blanchard, Herbie Hancock, 2PAC.
I noticed your video from Buckingham Palace…you’ve got a special hello to your mom, who has passed on...could you talk about the importance of people connecting with generations forward and back as well as the song, “Mama, I made it.”
OMG! There is not enough to say about the song "Mama, I Made it". It is a song I wrote that Jay-Z picked and rapped about his mom on. I then wrote my version of the same song called "Mama" from Winslow Dynasty "The Life Album (2011) iTunes. The song I wrote on Jay-Z’s album, Kingdom Come, called "I Made it" is celebratory for the famed rapper. My version traces my story back to the hood in Baltimore and what I had to go through dealing with a mother who was doomed to die of AIDS. When I was in high school my home became a drug house in the 90's Heroin boom of Baltimore City. My mother was a victim of this horrible trend, and I endured many dark days of seeing her beat up, laying on the floor half dead, and even locked up and put in jail. My high school days were an emotional hell, yet I maintained a straight-A average and never told my friends at school what my home life was like. Back then poverty and struggle were very embarrassing; now it’s “in vogue” to have a tough story. I would wish my mom could have been like other moms, but that wasn't in the cards for me; it was destined that I see certain things in order to bring them artistically to light. I believe my words and stories will heal some young person who goes through pain, and lives in confusion, doubt, and low-self-esteem.
Can you talk a little bit about your involvement with the John Lennon Songwriting Competition?
I recorded an amazing children's CD entitled, "Change A Life Change the World," with school students and my little cousins. I submitted a song entitled, "I Love School" because I wanted kids to sing about, and be enthusiastic about education. It's a rap I wrote in a day, and it changed our community in Baltimore. For children to grow up in a culture of molestation, high crime, and poverty, and then sing with passion: "I LOVE SCHOOL," [that] means the world to me. That song’s success let me know that what I do makes an impact on earth and the lives of children.
*SOCIO-POLITICAL CONCERNS
Is it important for an artist to be politically aware?
It's very important for artists to be politically aware because artists massage the minds of the people. We can start trends and end trends, we can cause riots, boycotts, bans, and when necessary, revolution. We can bring peace and change. When a man can't hear your words and chooses to ignore your pontifications, he has no choice but to absorb your doctrine through beautiful melody and prose.
If you were in charge of the world, what three changes would you make first?
If I were in charge of the world, the first three changes I would make would be to:
1) give African Americans a financial head start with full scholarships to higher level schools as reparations for Slavery.
2) lower inflation and the housing market so everyone could afford a home.
3) take away the profit in the jail system, advance equality in the legal system, and pay teachers sports player salaries. The last wish is a three in one combo -- lol!
Do listeners or audience members have a role in the development of jazz and poetry in our culture?
Listeners don't really have a role because most of them follow what's popular, and what is popular is dictated by a corporate check and advertising. Some listeners are strong willed enough to search out new music and hip their friends to it even if it's independent, but most are not. Most turn on the dial or video TV and absorb whatever is being played.
What advice do you have for the youth of this world?
The youth today need to think differently, work hard, and believe in themselves. They have to be better than their parents, and education is THE answer.
Where would you like to see jazz education go in the future?
I would like jazz education to be included in the classroom because it's America's main contribution to the world, and it is THE most difficult music to play, so it makes you smarter. Jazz advances cognitive abilities because of the speed it takes for your brain to access divergent neurological paths.
I would like Jazz and Rap to be thought of as One style, and the best futuristic musician/artist will be someone who can freestyle a rap and play an instrument like John Coltrane with such a breadth of world history, culture, and vocabulary that he will be a demigod in music.
Do you have a personal creed or guiding principles that you live by?
I live by the guidelines of treating people with respect, and calling out things that are not right, even if it's me. I search for truth as a beacon without trying to use truth to hurt people, but to bring light, education, and heal them. Most of us want to be our best selves, and we just need some coaching from time to time to stay on "the path" to bliss, truth, happiness, and harmony with ourselves and with others around us. The coaching can be found in self-help books, pastors, mentors, teachers, lovers, spouses, and friends who love you enough to be honest with you.
What is your reaction to this trend of people saying that going to college is a waste of time and money?
College can be a waste of time and money if you do not grow from the experience or use what you learned to advance in society. College broadens your perspective in my opinion, whether you make money from your degree or not. I believe YouTube is college, it just means consistent concentrated study. It is what you make it. I see it both ways, and it’s based on the individual.
How do you think our society can help get instruments into the hands of youth in high-need areas?
Billionaires, millionaires, sports stars, actors, and famous musicians and our government CAN get instruments in the hands of our youth. Many don't want to, don't care, and some just don't know how to. That's a societal illness that one day I will have to use my influence to fix.
Dontae Winslow Trumpeter @Valencia HS Master Class Clinic Snippet
* CRAFT
How long have you been playing trumpet?
I have been playing the trumpet for 30 years. I started at age 10 in the 5th grade at Cross Country Elementary School in the Baltimore City Public School System.
Can you talk about your horn? It’s specially made, right?
I play a handmade custom instrument by Adams Instruments in Holland called the DWA6. I designed it with Miel Adams based on the vintage instruments of the 40's, 50's, and 60's. It is THE most efficient, and best sounding trumpet I have ever played. It gives me confidence onstage and when I'm doing 9-hour rehearsals with R&B artists and on tours it allows me the endurance I need to pull through to the end.
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How would you characterize your improvising style?
My improvising style is unique in that it tests the limits of conventional harmony, but it doesn't live in dissonance. I like to play the in and out style of consonance/dissonance, and I love to play with emotion, passion, fire, and energy. I like my heart to BLEED through the horn. I like to cry inside the music.
You compose as well as improvise. What is the relationship between these two facets of musical creation?
I improvise and compose music all the time. Improvisation means to compose extemporaneously, to write music in the moment. Interestingly enough, the more you compose music, the better and more individualized your improvised solos become. Composing is the intentional structuring of melody and harmony, sometimes with rhythm, in a cohesive and understood form.
You have a Master’s degree in music?
I got my Master's Degree in Music from the Peabody Conservatory of the Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland.
How do classical and jazz relate?
Classical Music and Jazz are related in that they both borrow from tertian harmony and they employ many of the same melodic contours. European classical music restricts the performer from changing what is written and opens up a world in its beauty of interpretation, phrasing, style, and nuance based on an era. Jazz uses this same concept, but extends it to another creative level allowing the performer, within an understood standard of harmonic structure, to improvise his own melodies in real-time. This requires another level of virtuosity which makes it increasingly challenging to be a great jazz musician at a young age. Good Jazz requires a level of experience, emotional maturity, and wisdom that most children simply can't grasp. I believe one of my first loves is European classical music, but I think jazz is more difficult to master in that it's open ended both creatively, harmonically, and melodically. It's easier to find 5-year-olds that will murder a Concerto on violin and piano, maybe not trumpet, but a 5-year-old authentic jazz musician we haven't seen. It's not impossible, but extremely difficult; it's an anomaly. European classical and American classical music (i.e. Jazz) have the same kind of tonality, tempered tuning, harmonic cadences, and many times the same effective emotional tendencies. In many ways practicing one discipline helps the other get stronger, but the habits of both are so different physically that it's difficult to be amazing at both equally.
What is your artistic relationship to visual art, poetry, dance and multi-media?
I'm beginning to feel that more and more in this technological age that music video, visual art, and audio have become an inseparable marriage. Every one has FaceTime, iPhones, Instagram and the multi-media application includes multiple formats. Kids grow up knowing that when they hear music that they should see something. Kids grow up knowing how to use content with music, and use software on laptops and cell phones; they also have playlists that express multi-genre blending of styles so the next generation is much more open-minded musically. Because of this, the music of the future will defy categorization. It will blend and morph between styles at a moment’s notice and incorporate multi-ethnic influences.
How does teaching inform your playing?
Teaching is the best way to learn because you get to ingrain positive habits into your subconscious as you talk or demonstrate. A teacher reinforces his kinetic and cognitive skills. Teaching also keeps you focus on the fundamentals and rudiments that strengthen you as a performer/technician.
In one of the YouTube videos, you’re teaching a Master Class and you say: “You’re not just hearing notes, you’re hearing my life.” Can you speak some more about that?
In the Valencia High School Master Class where I say: "You're not just hearing the notes, you're hearing my life," I felt like I needed the students to understand that your sound comes from your heart. The Sound is a reflection of the person who emits it. Your personality, your intention, your authenticity, your humility, or arrogance comes through in the way you sound on an instrument. It behooves us to become beautiful people to have beautiful sounds. That was the point of my discussion. It is important for young musicians to listen to the masters, yet never be ashamed of who they are and loose their individuality.
Did you really get to play with Milt Jackson? Can you elaborate on that?
I played with Milt Jackson when he came to Baltimore in the early 1990's, and it was a great honor. It is a great and long held tradition in jazz that masters teach students by playing with them in jam sessions and youngsters learn by osmosis. I also performed with Freddie Hubbard in 1991 at Morgan State University which was his last live performance in Baltimore. Freddie said I reminded him of the confidence of a young Lee Morgan. I learned so much that day.
And what was it like to meet Maya Angelou?
Meeting Maya Angelou was an honor. I performed at the Baltimore Symphony Hall in 1996 and opened for Ashford & Simpson and Maya Angelou. I remember her admiring my hand-made clothes that were sheer and see through at the time. She is an awesome poet and writer/activist, and I am equally influenced by the great songwriting team of Ashford & Simpson. Their story inspires the WinslowDynasty as a husband and wife musical duo.
What’s it like working with Questlove and Chick Corea?
My year has been so blessed to be able to collaborate with so many legendary and emerging artists. In one year I've worked with Justin Timberlake, Jay-Z, Kendrick Lamar, Aloe Blacc, Erica Campbell, Questlove, Chick Corea, Roy Hargrove and more. Quest is a musical historian who understands the history of American music and Pop culture. His drum playing on my single, "Summer Cookout," took me back to the days of The Meters, quartet Gospel, break beat loops, and vintage soul music. His drums are tuned in such a way that as soon as you hear them you think: Ahh, "hip-hop." He also has perfect time, meaning you can't tell if it's him playing, a loop CD, or a drum machine. Working with Questlove was a dream come true. Adam Blackstone, my musical partner and Musical Director for JT, Nicki Minaj, Rihanna, Jay-Z, Maroon 5 and more, helped me build the track with his funky electric bass lines that weaved in and out of my Vocoder synth bass parts. I then added my friend Jack "JK" King on the song to give it that southern Gospel feel, in addition to guitarist Shon Hinton who grew up playing with the Williams Brothers. My wife Mashica on vocals, Roy Hargrove on flugelhorn, and Darryl Pearson on guitar rounded it out to a perfect summer jam. Questlove brings such an authenticity to whatever his drums touch.
Chick Corea is one of the greatest modern piano players of our time. He heard the song, Chrysalis, and said, "It's a beautiful piece of music."
It was amazing to hear Chick comping Rhodes chords to my rap and respond to the rhythm. He played to each soloist on the song differently-- it's amazing to hear. His love for his beautiful wife Gayle Corea is also something I admire in him as a man, husband, and musician. We dedicated the song to George Duke because he agreed to play on it a few weeks before he died, and the song represents the love of man and woman as well as the development towards the pursuit of happiness.
What was it like to study at the Thelonious Monk Institute?
The Monk Institute was an amazing opportunity to be around Herbie Hancock, Terence Blanchard, Wayne Shorter, Ron Carter, and so many other iconic jazz creators. I learned how to work in a band and rehearse and write for that band. In fact, one of my class assignments from Terence Blanchard is on my new album called, "Dontae's Inferno." When I was in school, we called the assignment, “Theme & Transition.” Terence is a successful movie film composer, and he helped me to think of a jazz solo as if you were composing a score, with one cell or one motif at a time, and then develop your idea. The Monk Institute also gave me the opportunity to perform and tour with Herbie, Wayne, and Terence as well as teach LA public school students how to play jazz in their after-school program called, "Beyond the Bell.”
In your opinion, what is Monk’s impact on the development of jazz?
Thelonious Monk was a genius, and he helped bring an eccentric element to composition and a simplicity to improvisation that broke the mold of the fast paced, melodically complex bebop style of the late 1940's. He wrote much of [what is now] the jazz standard repertoire and incorporated a bold use of the whole-tone scale in his improvisational vocabulary.
How does R&B figure in to your creative work?
R&B is a direct derivative of the blues in its sound and its form. R&B was also influenced by Gospel and the spirituals of the early African American slaves. The holler in the blues is the same "holler" in R&B music. It was derived from a place of searching, overcoming pain, and making the most of life at any moment. My music has the same goal, to act as a catharsis for my pain and suffering as well as a vehicle to heal those who choose to listen.
How do you define fusion and should we be concerned with defining fusion?
I define fusion as a mix of any two or more styles of music. I don't think we as consumers or patrons ever need to be concerned with defining music, just listen to it. If it sounds good, it is good.
What techniques do you have to keep challenging yourself and to keep evolving as an artist?
The main ingredient I feel that helps one develop as an artist is to LISTEN to artists who are greater than you are. Absorb the sound, habits, soul, and nuances of the Masters of Music. One has to stand on the shoulders of legends by picking up the torch in order to be considered a great. This is done through listening, emulating, and then innovating.
You’re a producer, too, right?
I am a music producer, and I love creating music on the stage or in the studio.
I can’t even imagine it—what is a typical day like for you?
A typical day for me is waking up praying and thanking God for life, breath and a sane mind. I then read a devotional, and a passage from the Bible. I thank God again for my son, my wife, my job, my health, and usually practice my trumpet and check emails. I go to the gym next or on days off I sleep as long as possible because the 20/20 tour is HARD WORK! I listen to some legends on YouTube, and sometimes I write out a song idea. I read a few pages of a book, and edit a few pages of my autobiography. I call my wife, and FaceTime with my son, and then I blog about something I think is noteworthy. I eat and come to my room and practice trumpet again, and then it's bed time. If we have a show I do that and then attend an after party.
Do you take a lot of vitamins or eat certain foods to keep up your high energy level?
I have taken multi-vitamins everyday for the last 12 years. I also eat clean, sometimes vegetarian, and sometimes pescatarian. I rarely eat lamb, but it's my second favorite food. Crabcakes, being a Baltimore delicacy, is my favorite food, which is why I wrote the song on my new album "Baltimore Crabcakes.” "Energy" is what I'm known for, and I think it's ruled by the passion that came from the gratitude of surviving a dark childhood.
Is there anything I haven’t asked that you’d like to talk about?
You haven't asked: What do I want my son Jedi to become? My dream for his life is that he remain a compassionate, God-loving human being, and change the world by inspiring and helping others. He loves music, playing, and sports, and he has a giving heart.
Where are you playing next?
I'm playing at The Iridium in NYC on February 18th, 2014 at 8pm and 10pm sets with my band Winslow Dynasty. This will be my first CD release concert. The next day I'm playing Madison Square Garden in NYC with Justin Timberlake and The Tennessee Kids at the 20/20 Experience World Tour for two nights. March 16th I'm doing a CD release in Baltimore, Maryland, my hometown, at McGoobies, and March 21st I'm doing a CD release in LA at the Blue Whale.
Thank you so much for an amazing interview,
Dontae Winslow
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